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Sunday, March 30, 2008

Fitna: There's nothing wrong with it

So, I finally gave in to the temptation and watched this short film. To tell you the truth, I didn't see anything spectacular, nor do I see anything wrong with it. It's just a matter of how you perceive the film, which is relative and differs from one person to the next. Its contents are based on facts (news clips of incidents that has happened like 9/11, the Madrid bombing, and the beheading of a journalist - if I'm not mistaken it was a journalist whose head was chopped off in this clip) and shows several verses of the Koran which Wilders did not manipulate (I checked my copy for the verses he quoted which is exactly the same, though Muslims argued that the verses were taken out of context - that part I don't know, I am not an expert on the book.)

The movie itself is like a short clip made my a high school student. It borders on being juvenile and I think there is, again, nothing special about it. Editing-wise, it was awful. I think that based on the editing and the cinematography (if such thing exists in this film) itself, the film is not compelling. Nobody would ever watch have it not been a controversy. Then I became curious on how Indonesians think about it so I logged on detik.com and searched articles about fitna, and boy oh boy, did I find loads of articles about it.

I started reading them one by one, and being the naturally curious person that I am, I read the comments too. I wasn't too shocked by the comments, I can say that around 85% of the comments condemned Wilders (many explicitly expressed their wanting to kill him or wish for his death) some urged a boycott of anything Dutch (products, people etc). MOST of the comments were violent although I saw a couple of cool comments suggesting people to calm down, asking them to ignore the film and take things easy, but that was probably one out of the 20 "let's kill Wilders" comments.

There were some other articles about how the Indonesian People's Representatives Council (DPR) are suggesting that internet sites relaying this film should also be banned, as opposed to only porn sites (There has been news in the past couple of weeks of the DPR's suggestion to ban porn sites in Indonesia)

Well, this is just wrong. What they are suggesting will promote ignorance among the people. Do they have that low of an opinion of the intelligence of the majority of Indonesian people? Or the Indonesian Muslim's faith? What is it about the Muslims' oxymoron that arrogantly states that Islam is the best religion, the truth, the only way to salvation but at the same time shows a great lack of self-confidence and panic every time there is an attack on its teachings? I don't think a real Muslim will turn on their faith just because they saw this film but I don't think they should run around wanting to kill 'blasphemous infidels' or burn stores selling Dutch products or bomb the Dutch Embassy either. The DPR should instead urge EDUCATION to inform the people to calm down and ignore the bloody film.

Then I saw an article of ex-Indonesian President Gus Dur's view of this whole thing. This very wise, peaceful and cool old guy thinks that according to the Indonesian 1945 Constitution which (supposedly) guarantees the freedom of thought and expression, this film should not be banned. I totally agree with our ex President. This guy is the Patron of religious tolerance in Indonesia, and his cool point of view goes way back several decades. He is a liberal Muslim whose ideas and thoughts I feel should be heard and implemented in our country, rather than those of the extreme MUI (the Indonesian Islamic Leader's Association) that has damaged religious tolerance in Indonesia.

I think anger and threats towards Wilders and anyone like him is like pouring gasoline on a small flame, it will do nothing but make things worse. The Muslims should just ignore the film, and if that happens, people like Wilders will not have the ammunition to further their depiction and perspective on Islam and Muslims.

Have you ever seen Atheists and Agnostic being angry and attack people who call them stupid, infidels who are wrong and doomed to hell? No. Which is why nobody will profit from making movies discrediting Atheists and Agnostics, hence the lack of that kind of films. We (Atheists and Agnostics) don't care what people think of us and our beliefs, and we don't get upset when someone insults our belief. Religious (Muslims and other extremists) people should learn from us how to lay back and take a chill pill. Why? Because when religious people get all ballistic like animals every time their belief system is attacked, people like us will just shake our heads in disbelief and feel relieved that we are members of the non-prophet organization.

Earlier this afternoon I stumbled upon a speech by Moez Masoed in youtube that is so beautiful and inspiring. I am obviously a non-Muslim, but even I think that this guy should be heard by many. If only we have more people like him in the world I think there will be less Geert Wilderses running around. I think that fitna should be a wake-up call for Indonesian Muslims (and other Muslims in the world) to rise up to the challenge and prove everyone wrong. Prove to the world that Islam really is a religion of peace, justice and tolerance. Talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words. Do what you preach and stop practices of the medieval world.

Mr. Masoed is right, we have to live a life that's good, living life in harmony and not agitation. We should not be the cause of agitation for one another. Is that the recipe for a better and peaceful world? I think so, but what do you think?

14 pralines for rima:

colson said...

Your post may be no surprise to me (I already noticed your blog is a pleasure to read), but yet it did strike me as the summon up of sensible reason on this subject. To be honest: I have to admit I'm a non-believer myself also. Anyhow: I agree with each and every word of what you wrote. Especially your pointing out there are some great and fine Muslim minds. Gus Dur for instance may not have been the best of Presidents, but for sure is represents what mankind can be proud of.

Just like you I think everyone who cherishes an ideology, a religion or an utopia should be braced for ridicule and criticism. It's all part of our game. Being here you have to play it. So it's not wise to get angry. Offended Muslims may ask the Pope of Rome. If one can not stand the heat, one should leave the kitchen.

However I don't agree with Wilders of course. Not at all. For several reasons.

Mainly because I suspect him of being a political cheat; he offers a fake solution to that part of the population who is afraid of being becoming loosers of the cultural and economical changes which are taking place.

And also because he uses an old dangerous political trick, a disgusting recipe, by blaming a minority for everything that people perceive as wrong - his subtext usually is: "Muslims in The Netherlands are at the root of all evil". Well, to be fair to him: actually he does not say Muslims, but Islam. But the implication is clear..

Thirdly because Wilders hypocritically claims to further a national debate on problems related to integration of immigrants, while in fact he closes the door on them. He stigmatizes Muslims, generalizes from the outrageous acts by some of them to make accusations to all of this religion, speaks confrontational and offensive about it in stead of inviting a discussion. His way of "debate" is: go away or surrender.

And last but not least Mr Wilders is humorless in his attacks. By the experience of the debates between secularists and Christians in the sixties and seventies, I can tell Mr Wilders wit is a much better way to win people over.

Having said all that, Mr Wilders may be a fool, a madhatter, but he is our fool. We should and will deal with him in a civilized way. Our Muslim community showed the way: some shrugged their shoulders having seen the movie, some made sensible comments, some became political active and some cabaretiers (stand-up comedians) ridiculed him.

To counter Wilders'foolishness, the best weapon indeed is - in my opinion- the freedom of speech etc. I don't think hotheaded clerics or believers at the other end of the world are a big help. But if they want to show in this way they are touchy on the issue ... okay, go ahead guys, but I can assure you we already knew you could not keep your temper...

rimafauzi said...

Colson,

It's good to know the Muslims in The Netherlands are shrugging him off. That is the best way to win this war, the war against generalization of Muslims especially and religious people generally.

I don't agree with Wilders either. The title of this post might have been a bit controversial as well, stating that there is nothing wrong with the film, but like it or not, the fact is there is such a thing as freedom of speech.

I am not saying Wilders was right in making the film, using your words, he is a political cheat. But if the Muslims keep their hotheaded ways and violence on this matter and any matter in he future, Wilders will win, and his film will finally be the common perception of Islam which is a shame because I know many Muslims who are not that way at all.

kyh said...

I'm always surprised by the over-reactions of Muslims in whatever things deemed 'harmful' being done to their beliefs. The funny thing is, I don't see this ultra-sensitive emotions being demonstrated by followers of other faiths when theirs are being attacked.

And if Muslims insist that their religion preaches peace, tolerance, love and caring, why do their comments on the attackers of the belief being thoroughly filled with violent and hate speeches, like "BUTCHER the blasphemers!", "BEHEAD those who insult islam!", "ISLAM will conquer the world!", "KILL the infidels wherever you find them!", "Jews are pigs and apes", "WW3 is coming!" and etc. And anyone with a sense of intelligence will know that these are certainly NOT peaceful, loving, caring, tolerant words. Ironic huh?

Verbal and physical retaliations will nvr ever solve problems. It will make matters worse, and the cycle will goes on and on and on until one party stops to be involved with this. The only solution to achieve peace is to ignore those attacks, be patient and carry on your daily lives just like an ordinary day.

"Love your enemy." If a party can offer genuine love and care for the 'enemy', I'm sure the 'enemy' would stop pouring attacks against the opposition.

rimafauzi said...

Hi kyh,
I share your exact sentiment on this matter. Nice choice of words you got here.. and your blog is a pleasure to read!

Therry said...

With or without Fitna, I find there is a lot to be educated to Islam believers in Indonesia.

Especially when I am living in a place where you can hear Moslem preachers setting up huge speakers saying that non-Moslems are evil and should die, coming from every directions you can think of.

Peaceful? Really?

rimafauzi said...

Therry, I am so sorry you have to go through that. I assume you are a non-Muslim?

Well, I sincerely hope that things like that will not happen (too much) in Indonesia anymore. We use to have such nice religious harmony.. I forgot where I read this (a commenter on a blog.. forgot which blog cos i read so many)
Indonesia is not a democracy, it is a tyranny of majority.

Now the tolerance is just gone. Such a shame.

Therry said...

I am a Christian :)

Well, such thing unfortunately does not happen only to me but to many...

*sigh*

triesti said...

well, some of Wilders translation of the verse is too provocative. He uses 'terrorizing' for verse 8:60 when in other translations Ive seen no one use that word. Plus you'd better check the next verse 8:61. I vent have time checking the rest.

wilders wants moslem world to react violently to prove his point. If they are a bit smart, they need to beat him in his game by ignoring him.

rimafauzi said...

triesti,

you said
"wilders wants moslem world to react violently to prove his point. If they are a bit smart, they need to beat him in his game by ignoring him."

exactly my point.

as for surah 8 verse 60 , this is what i got from http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/8.htm

60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

there is the word terror there. verse 61,
61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

yes, that does appear. For cases like the madrid bombing, the 9/11, what did those people in the buildings/train do to deserve death? I would have thought there were minding their own business, working or commuting when suddenly death fell upon them.

The film was not the right thing to do, but a rather ignorant man like Wilders might only see things from what has happened, not from what is written in the Koran.

mer said...

finally, one of the most sensible postings on the topic!!
i don't think i next to add anything to your words....

it might be politically incorrect for me to say this, but in essence the major problem with religion (all religions) is the problem of absolute truth, not until we accept that multiple truths are possible, then clashes and conflicts related to religion will always exist.

agnostics and atheists of course don't have to deal with the problem... that's such groups would have any problem with anybody who're different than them or even those who attack them (or should I say 'us' -- me included :p).

anyway... thanks for this great posting!

mer said...

*ah, typo: next should be "need"....

rimafauzi said...

@mer:
your words "it might be politically incorrect for me to say this, but in essence the major problem with religion (all religions) is the problem of absolute truth, not until we accept that multiple truths are possible, then clashes and conflicts related to religion will always exist."
i don't think it's politically incorrect to state the obvious.
thanks for visiting!

David said...

Mer's truth is "that multiple truths are possible"...(which of course, is an 'absolute' statement, thus Mer also believes in absolute truth).

hmm...I believe in Absolute Truth.

My truth says your truth is wrong. But because you believe multiple truths are possible, you're not allowed to say that my truth is wrong. Ya khan? :)

Athiests and Agnostics DO have to deal with the problem, because like it or not, their truths are also absolute. They believe anyone else who doesn't believe their truth, is wrong.

Sorry, but Absolute Truth is an inescapable fact of life.

mulia said...

@ Colson and Rima:
You know..the first time i saw the video from the link Colson gave, i didnt think it's special and i didnt know people think it's more than just another youtube video. i dindt give a damn.

until i read in detik dot com, the ulama consider to close down indonesian accss to youtube in relation to this??heh??? have i missread or what???!!!

Gosh, why on earth people would spend more than a second to even think, discuss or care about such crap like that. huh!

i agree with u rima, it's gona be on and on and on..only if we care.

and huge thanks for the Masoed link. i like it very much too :)